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  Let me get this right we have our Military to include National Guard and Army Reserves we have CIA, FBI, ICE, DEA ,TSA, State Police, County Sheriffs, City Police,and I'm sure there are a dozen more we dont know and a dozen more that I have forgot to mention all looking for drugs and bad guys. Sounds to me with an outfit like that you could find whatever you want whenever you want. I guess we should just make everything legal and save the tax payers billions a year since they cant seem to stop any of this anyway or get along. If this crew cant find em or stop em then throw the towel in its over. Or maybe one better if they all have basically the same mission combine all these forces and trim the fat at the top remember each one of these little empires has Chiefs, Directors ect... and that doesnt come cheap. To many Chiefs and not enough injuns I say. You want to be the best be the best quit embarassing yourselves.

  Best of the best Posted August 5, 2009 2:38 PM
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  DEA wouldn't need to have ICE do its work for them if they hadn't gone overboard trying to make themselves CIAII in the intelligence community. They wrecked their own budgets, now they want ICE to do their work for them. What should be done is for Title 21 authority to be given to ICE separately from DEA. We all know what happens when you give information information to DEA, the informant ends up dead.

  DSW Posted June 23, 2009 10:07 AM
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  The common denominator is other agencies encroaching on ICE's law enforcement mission.

  You can also add the FBI to that list, which has long been seeking to take over Customs' (now ICE's) money laundering and export enforcement investigations under the guise of investigating terrorism.

  It all comes down to a turf battle, with ICE fighting to keep it's jurisdiction in a number of areas, rather than losing that authority and becoming the new INS, with only immigration enforcement responsibilities.

  ICEman Posted June 22, 2009 4:49 PM
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  Let's see now:

  ICE doesn't get along with DEA. ICE doesn't get along with BATFE.

  The common denominator is????

  Cicero Posted June 19, 2009 5:29 PM
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  Just rhetoric, no substance. Nothing has changed. It is a big show, a PR campaign, nothing more.

  M Posted June 19, 2009 3:35 PM
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  The thing that I have a hard time understanding is not this agreement itself, but the surprise and overly disappointed reaction a lot of ICE agents have about it. I've heard a number of furious comments and seen a lot of angry agents over this new agreement and how it essentially changes nothing. But my question is what did these agents expect? We've all been around long enough to know that things like this will always be politics as usual without exception. The idea that we were actually going to get the Title 21 authority was nothing more than wishful thinking. I know agents who have been on the job for over 20 years who still continue to delude themselves every time something like this that sounds too good to be true is mentioned, only to be surprised and let down time and again. This agreement didn't phase me in the slightest because it is 100% exactly what I expected. The only thing that would have come as a surprise is if we had actually gotten the Title 21 authority.

  DHS Posted June 19, 2009 2:03 PM
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  The agreement only covers ICE and DEA. Apparently, it will still require ICE agents to be cross-designated by DEA, and follow DEA procedures and paperwork. The previous MOU required Customs (now ICE) agents to prepare both Customs (ICE) and DEA reports for each case, which is a major duplication of effort, as well as very burdensome and inefficient. It appears that this new agreement does nothing to change this policy.

  The agreement also does nothing to change the relationship between DEA and the Border Patrol and CBP. This means that DHS agencies (ICE, Border Patrol, CBP) will continue to deal separately with DEA, instead of in a standardized manner. Border Patrol drug seizures will continue to be turned over to DEA, while CBP drug seizures at the ports of entry will continue to be turned over to ICE. This makes absolutely no sense. Instead of speaking with one voice, DHS is letting it's component agencies negotiate separately with DEA, rather than having a unified and coordinated policy for all of DHS. This is simply absurd, and doesn't really change much of anything.

  ICEd Posted June 19, 2009 12:28 PM
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  The agreement only covers ICE and DEA. Apparently, it will still require ICE agents to be cross-designated by DEA, and follow DEA procedures and paperwork. The previous MOU required Customs (now ICE) agents to prepare both Customs (ICE) and DEA reports for each case, which is a major duplication of effort, as well as very burdensome and inefficient. It appears that this new agreement does nothing to change this policy.

  The agreement also does nothing to change the relationship between DEA and the Border Patrol and CBP. This means that DHS agencies (ICE, Border Patrol, CBP) will continue to deal separately with DEA, instead of in a standardized manner. Border Patrol drug seizures will continue to be turned over to DEA, while CBP drug seizures at the ports of entry will continue to be turned over to ICE. This makes absolutely no sense. Instead of speaking with one voice, DHS is letting it's component agencies negotiate separately with DEA, rather than having a unified and coordinated policy for all of DHS. This is simply absurd, and doesn't really change much of anything.

  ICEd Posted June 19, 2009 12:28 PM
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  Potato...great comment as he does look like Macy.

  John Posted June 19, 2009 11:27 AM
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  Same old MOU or Agreement, nothing has changed... Delegation for ICE (Customs)Special Agents is a tether of continued jealousy by DEA and goes against common sense. ICE Special Agents should have "STATUTORY" or "CONCURRENT" authority much like the FBI to investigate Title 21 offenses with a clear and articulable nexus to the border. This agreement is a joke and political manifestation so the two agency heads can let everyone know they are getting along. Same problems will continue to exist...

  CareerAgent Posted June 19, 2009 11:27 AM
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  When did William H. Macy start to work for ICE?

  Potato Man Posted June 19, 2009 8:49 AM