Return to Article: SEC scales back pay-for-performance ambitions
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44074
tipsy, maybe you should try the private sector, unfortunately you won't be paid to contemplate your navel. Your in your own world where job security is a given, pay raises are socialized and you unwilling to be objectively graded on performance. Yet I bet your the 1st 1 to compalin about your meal, car, hotel room. In must be great to be able to complain 24/7 and not have to deal with any blow back. Unfortunately for the great unwashed life isn't like that and its time to come off the high horse.
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"Gleen, just facts don't you understand?? I'll be happy to type real slow next time so you understand!!" Skeeter, your response speaks for itself. Changing your typing speed won't help make your rants any more intelligible until you learn to use a spell and grammar checker.
I don't wish to speak for Glen, but I do want to say that your strong opinions bear little weight in facts; rather, they sounding reminiscent of a boozy radical-right talk show host (my advanced apologies to the group in general).
If you were a part of our demographic, you could understand the fear we carry of our livelihoods being held to vacuous and diaphanous standards, our work histories being edited by an unseen and unknown cabal based on quotas and personalities with no recourse or explanation, our retirements being economically undermined after decades of dedicated service. If you were one of us, or even remember your high school history on Boss Tweed, the Spoils System, and several other topics you could make statements that made some sense and that we might actually consider.
We, like most Americans, simply desire management that is consistent, clear, and understandable. But since you are not one of us, just like Dubya and most of our elected representatives, your remarks appear trite, uninformed, and based on hearsay. That is our concern with the legislative body and chief executive. We can understand a fear-based reactionary vote for a new system, temporarily suspension of our right to privacy, and much more... but that is only if it is temporary. With time should come reflection, with reflection should come understanding, with understanding... wisdom. Forget the "wis", this system is just dumb.
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This is probably just the tip of the iceberg and other P4P systems will have to be "tweaked" as well. The truth is that a group of people was told to build and implement the system despite evidence that P4P doesn't work unless it is implemented in an environment where you can count the widgets and decisions regarding who gets the pay out are absolutely objective. Example: employee A built 50 widgets, employee B built 40 widgets during the same time; both employees build the widgets to spec and no flaws were detected; the standard is 45 widgets in order to be fully successful. Guess what; easy decision - no arguments. As long as the determination of who gets a raise is subjective, and let's face it, the nature of most government work does not lend itself to objective evaluation, P4P isn't going to work. What I want to know is, where are the designers of the system? What kind of raises/bonuses did they get for developing P4P systems for use in the government. What do you want to bet they've moved on with glowing accolades, impressive resumes, and fat wallets. And for what? How much money has been spent on these worthless systems and what is the true cost, all things considered, to the American taxpayer?
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Gleen, just facts don't you understand?? I'll be happy to type real slow next time so you understand!!
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Good old Dan, right on cue. Nice to know you don't let facts get in the way of your bias Dan.
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I hope this spills over to wipe out NSPS! "Pay for performance" sounds good, but will never be implemented correctly as long as the pay pool members know ANYONE, (remotely or indirectly) they are grading. Secretive pay pools are never going to be accepted by any employee organization, and the pay pools shouldn't be shocked when they find out their employees don't trust the system, don't trust the numbers, and don't trust the results that the pay pools come up with in dollars, quotas, and however they want to present mass grouping of payout data. Of course this is going to create distress and tensions in the workforce instead of productivity! In the end, pay pools are comprised of people who WILL indirectly, implicitly, tactily (and even sometimes.. GASP!!.. DIRECTLY) put their personal judgments into biases that will end up favoring their friends, the people they're "comfortable with", the people "they know", and NOT really the performers who are NOT close enough to the pay pool members to let their versions of the stories be heard! It would be impractially time consuming. So why not just listen to a select few and make the payout calls based on that, right??? Even elementary-aged kids can figure out that a group with priveleges is going to favor their friends! I hope senators and congressmen, and presidential candidates read about this and nullify NSPS entirely.
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What an oxymoron, CS "best practices" on pay. Other than NSPS they are non existant, as usual the tactics of the union was to show disparety based on raw data VS actual performance. When you have a quota set up for a racial group by defination they perform poorly when compared to those who got their jobs based on merit.
After reading all the posts on Gov Ex it doesn't suprise me that older worders suffered under this proposal too many think they are "entitled" to an annual raise. Lets just take the word "merit" out of any dealing with our public servants so the public won't be confused when reading this stuff. Lets call it what it is socialism
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43825
again this is great news overall. I just wish the DoD would follow suit and give up on its P4P system...NSPS is going to ruin our nations defense.
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And the General Schedule (GS) payscale was broken? What a nightmare the new Performance for Pay has created when every agency cannot fit the mold and wants to have their own sliderule. Not to mention the taxpayer's money wasted on this new innovative system. Yeah, right! Put DHS under the GS payscale will correct many flaws, namely outrageous salaries.
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Finally, an agency that sees the new 'pay system" for what it really is. worthless. Can't wait to see how Dan Ketter justifies his stand for it.
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who do we go for filing a complaint regarding performance awards in va cincinnati ohio? thanks
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